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Mary Pascarella
was the lead psychic
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who investigated the house.
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Mary is a professional psychic,
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a time walker who picked up on
some truly terrifying things.
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She said it was the first time
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she had ever
encountered something
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she could only describe
as pure evil.
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People say this is a hoax.
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It's done for money.
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But let me tell you,
you never sign
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a contract with the devil.
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This house chooses victims.
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We just wanted
to get the house fixed
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so we could move back in.
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I began to say my prayers.
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And I was saying the Our Father.
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And as I was saying
the Our Father,
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I looked out at the door,
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and I had the impression
of a young person.
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I hope this is as close to hell
as I'll ever get.
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George and Kathy,
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whatever happened
to them in the house,
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they got the kids,
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they left all their furnishings,
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all their clothing,
everything in the house
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and just ran.
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They went to a motel
for that first night.
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After Kathy
and I left the house,
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we came to the conclusion
that Ronald DeFeo,
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physically, he did the murders,
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but spiritually,
emotionally, no,
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I don't believe that he's,
in a pure sense, responsible.
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There's no doubt in my mind
that he was influenced
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by that house
and that he was controlled,
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at least for a point.
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It would further the tragedy
sitting in jail
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for six consecutive life terms.
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I didn't like William Weber.
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He was writing a book
about the DeFeo murder.
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Through friends of ours,
we met William Weber,
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sat down and spoke with him.
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He wanted George and
Kathy to put their story
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along with his story
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so that it seemed
like Ronald DeFeo
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was into devil worship,
or there was something
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in the house that caused him
to kill his whole family.
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In the 1970s,
the thought that the devil
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could possess somebody
became a very big deal.
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In December of '75, Ronnie DeFeo
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had just been convicted,
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just two, three years
after The Exorcist.
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Mr. Weber says, listen,
these people named
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the Lutzes bought your house.
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And we can use them
and make money.
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I said,
what are you talking about?
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He tells me, look,
we got The Godfather
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and The Exorcist
all in one hand, Ronnie.
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We're gonna make big, big money.
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The devil knocks off the mafia.
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The old box office champ,
The Godfather,
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is being flattened by that movie
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about diabolical possession,
The Exorcist.
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Could you give us your
reaction to the movie, please?
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Could you give us
your reaction to the movie?
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It's something else.
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- All glory to God.
- Great.
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Disgusting.
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It was disgusting in what way?
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It was just morbid.
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Just all the gory,
the blood and all.
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It was a traumatic experience.
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Didn't you like it?
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It was... yeah,
it was very interesting.
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- Why?
- Because it might be real.
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You know, I get to thinking
that, you know,
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something like that
might transpire,
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you know, around here.
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I don't know.
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People who were agnostic,
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people who were atheists
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went into that movie
and came out
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and were sleeping
with the lights on
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and wearing crucifixes,
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whether or not
they were religious or not.
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Everybody went to see this.
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So here's William Weber,
a defense attorney,
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coaching the Lutzes
on what they could say and do
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to play up this haunted thing.
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But when the Lutzes
gave a press conference
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in William Weber's office,
it was more notable,
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that press conference, for
everything they didn't say.
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The Lutzes did not claim
that they saw, heard, or felt
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the ghosts of the dead DeFeos.
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They didn't say
it was something demonic.
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In fact,
the Lutzes were very ambiguous
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about what happened.
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So the reporters were left
with more questions
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than answers, which might
be a smart marketing strategy.
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Leave them wanting more,
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and people will leap
to fill the void.
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He tries to
communicate by psychic force
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with the plant world.
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The plant in question
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is a rather wan
split philodendron,
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which Vogel has hooked up
to a polygraph machine.
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Here, Peter Hurkos,
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a psychic investigator,
is attempting to help
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a metropolitan police department
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by looking into the past.
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He does this by receiving
images from the murder weapon,
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hoping to reconstruct the crime.
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He was hired to help find
the Boston Strangler,
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did police work
on the Charles Manson murders.
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Like a suitcase.
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She was stabbed
to death five times.
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What you have just seen is part
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of an astounding collection
of psychic phenomena,
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demonstrations of the powers of the mind.
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At the time that the Lutzes held
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the joint press conference
with William Weber,
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I had been assigned
to produce a series
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on the supernatural
and paranormal at Channel 5
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by the news director.
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So I'm seeing this story
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when it was reported in
the Long Island Press Newsday.
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It was fairly local.
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Oh, wow,
a real-life haunted house
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that we could actually visit?
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There was no way
that this was not going
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to be a big ratings grabber.
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So at that point, nobody knew
how to reach the Lutzes.
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They were not living
at Ocean Avenue anymore.
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After they left the house,
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the Lutzes moved permanently
into Kathy's mother's house.
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If I hadn't been sitting there
and seeing how different
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George was, I would have
been a little skeptical
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about what was going on.
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He wasn't the same happy,
carefree person
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that he was before.
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He seemed really broken,
totally broken.
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Seeing the way he was,
I knew something happened,
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something had had
to have happened to him
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for him to change like that.
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The way they got it
out of their system was,
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they made audiotapes
of each day of what happened,
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every little detail.
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They didn't want
to retell it again and again.
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If they retold it,
it was like reliving it,
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and they didn't want
that to happen.
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They just got everything out
by putting it on the audiotapes.
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We just sat down
and did a series
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of about 26 cassette tapes,
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just talking about what happened
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while we were in the house.
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On those tapes,
nothing was chronological.
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We skipped all around.
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Our language certainly
wasn't the best.
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We were drinking at times
when we were doing
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those recordings.
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By the time I left the house,
I was drinking pretty heavily,
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without a doubt.
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Nobody could find George,
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so I called
George's surveying company.
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And I said,
"Hi, my name is Laura DiDio,
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"and I work for Channel 5 News,
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"and I have worked
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"with reputable
paranormal investigators
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like Hans Holzer,
Ed and Lorraine Warren."
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And I said, "I'd really like
to help them."
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George wanted
the parapsychologists
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to have seances in the house
to validate
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what happened in the house,
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that there really
were spirits there,
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that there really
was evil there.
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The Warrens
have devoted 37 years
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to study of the supernatural.
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The School of Demonology
behind their Connecticut home
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houses a collection of what
Ed Warren calls unholy things
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of historic value.
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Laura DiDio convinced
the Warrens to come down
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and go through the house.
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Our special guests tonight
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are Ed and Lorraine Warren,
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who, in their 32 years
as ghost hunters,
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have investigated over 3,000
cases of haunted houses
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and demonic possession
and have been involved
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in numerous exorcisms.
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Now obviously,
you believe in ghosts.
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I don't think
it's a case of belief.
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I think it's a case
of the evidence.
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So I called them up.
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We set the date for March 6th
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to go into the house
and investigate.
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They were giving Channel 5
and myself the exclusive.
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George had asked me
to go to the airport
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and pick up
the parapsychologists
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that were flying in from Duke
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and take them
to the Amityville house.
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There was a noted psychic
with the team.
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I felt while we were driving
that this psychic
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was trying to find out
from me mentally
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what had happened in the house.
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It was
a very strange experience.
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I'm sitting riding in a car.
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There's this man sitting
here not talking to me,
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wanting me to think
about the Lutzes.
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Finally, I got so fed up
with the whole feeling
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that, in my head,
I said, "Stop it."
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Like, I shouted it in my head.
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Right after that, this psychic
turned to me and said,
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"I'm sorry," out loud.
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And then I was convinced
that it was him.
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He was probing.
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He was trying to find out
what I knew about it,
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which he wasn't supposed
to know.
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When we went into the house,
it was jarring.
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So it looked like a nice
middle-class house,
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just that the people
were out for the day.
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Kathy had made...
And I'll never forget this...
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She had made a gingerbread house
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for the kids for Christmas.
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And that was still
on the dining room table.
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All of the food was spoiling.
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Laura DiDio and the crew and I,
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we arrived around midnight.
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Parapsychologists from
Duke University were there.
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They had cameras set up
and different equipment
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to sense any paranormal
activity in the house.
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There was a crucifix
and a blessed candle
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to provoke whatever beings
were in that house.
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Looks like a...
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A black shadow
that forms a hood.
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And it moves.
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And as it moves, it kind of...
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It says, "I feel
personally threatened."
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It's... I think it's...
Whatever's here.
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Whatever is here is...
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Is it trying to harm them?
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Yes. And it's something
that comes at you
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and makes your heart speed up,
that kind of thing.
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Then Lorraine Warren
said, "Come on, Marvin.
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"We're going upstairs
to the sewing room,"
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which was the area which had
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the strongest
paranormal sense."
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Lorraine said to me,
"Marvin, this is the deepest,
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the closest to hell
I ever want to get."
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And she was quite serious
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and seemed quite concerned
in that moment.
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We went room to room.
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But when we went upstairs
to the third floor...
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It was like
she walked into a wall.
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And she stepped right back.
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She said, "I can't go in here.
I can't go in here."
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I just feel an overwhelming
sense of oppression, dread.
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And that was Ronnie's bedroom.
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Lorraine sat down,
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and she had a headache
after that
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that stayed with her.
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There was a hush that came over.
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We had gotten to the point
where the house
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had began to affect me.
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And I had gotten up
on the stairs,
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and I called down to Ed,
and I said,
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"Ed, I'm as sick as a dog."
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So I said to Ed,
"I'm gonna lay down
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in the bed
for a little while."
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And as I was saying
the Our Father,
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I looked out of the door.
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There was a group
of figures standing
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outside of the door saying
the Our Father backward.
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The energy
in that house remains.
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It may take a hundred years
of our time,
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but it will implode again.
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That house is purely evil.
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We went back to the station.
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We cut the piece.
And it ran on the 10:00 news.
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The response was overwhelming.
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People just went wild over this.
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We had great ratings that night.
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Often, I'm asked if I was scared
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during that night in the house
at 112 Ocean Avenue.
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No, I was not.
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When the investigators
were asked to come in,
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we hadn't told them
what we experienced.
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But they had no intention
of ever going back
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and investigating further.
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Their only suggestion was
to have the house exorcised.
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00:22:39,923 --> 00:22:42,621
George lost a lot
of money with the house.
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So I think financially, they
were not doing well at all.
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Weber, the DeFeos'
attorney, had asked us
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to sign a book contract
with him,
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and we refused
because he was gonna
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pay DeFeo 5% of proceeds
for murdering his family.
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Plus, he was gonna get
to say what we did
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with the rest of our lives
with regard to the story,
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and it was just beyond belief.
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Our story was ours,
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and we were not gonna
do a contract with him,
300
00:23:15,655 --> 00:23:17,438
and we didn't want anything
more to do with that.
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We weren't interested
in dealing with him.
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And that was it.
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I told them
that it was their story,
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and I felt that they shouldn't
have to go with William Weber,
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that the whole haunting
or whatever happened
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to them in the house was
not part of the murder story.
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00:23:39,896 --> 00:23:43,682
And I happened to find the name
of a publisher in a book
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that I was reading
about supernatural
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because then was
interested in it.
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And I called up this publisher
in New York, Prentice Hall.
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And because of the publicity
that was going on at the time,
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they agreed
to talk with the Lutzes.
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So to George,
this looked like a good way
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of getting some money,
which I agreed with him.
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If it was being publicized now,
just keep going with it.
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If this is what happened,
you know the story.
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Then, the publisher got
the writer, Jay Anson.
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And they took the audiotapes.
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And that's where
The Amityville Horror came from.
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We met with Jay Anson.
We spoke with him.
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We gave him
the research materials
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we had done on the house
and some tapes
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that Kathy and I had done
over the weeks
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after we had left the house.
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And said, "Look,
we're not gonna sit down
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"to be interviewed about this.
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"You can do what you can
from the tapes.
328
00:24:51,794 --> 00:24:53,534
"But we're just not
gonna relive this.
329
00:24:53,535 --> 00:24:55,318
"We've done it once,
and we're not doing it again.
330
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We did it for the tapes."
331
00:24:58,845 --> 00:25:00,628
Then I spoke to the priest,
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and I heard his story.
333
00:25:02,762 --> 00:25:05,807
I was able to put together
a chronology of the events
334
00:25:05,808 --> 00:25:09,550
that took place within
that framework of 28 days.
335
00:25:09,551 --> 00:25:12,640
I was convinced
there are things out there
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that many people cannot explain.
337
00:25:16,384 --> 00:25:19,604
I sincerely believe
they took place.
338
00:25:25,828 --> 00:25:28,438
George told me that he felt that
339
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by staying in Long Island,
340
00:25:29,571 --> 00:25:31,746
they were too close
to Amityville,
341
00:25:31,747 --> 00:25:34,575
and he felt
that the further away he went,
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00:25:34,576 --> 00:25:39,102
the evil,
it couldn't come with him.
343
00:25:40,713 --> 00:25:44,803
So they moved as far away from
the East Coast as they could.
344
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On Mother's Day of
1976, we landed in San Diego.
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I sold my business.
346
00:26:03,823 --> 00:26:05,737
We gave the house
back to the bank.
347
00:26:05,738 --> 00:26:09,871
I couldn't stomach the idea of
selling it to another family.
348
00:26:09,872 --> 00:26:12,178
I think I want my
family and my children
349
00:26:12,179 --> 00:26:15,311
much more
than I want a structure.
350
00:26:15,312 --> 00:26:18,880
And if you view it
in that perspective,
351
00:26:18,881 --> 00:26:21,317
it's easy to walk away from.
352
00:26:25,627 --> 00:26:28,673
The book known as
The Amityville Horror
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00:26:28,674 --> 00:26:30,500
sold millions in hardcover,
354
00:26:30,501 --> 00:26:32,807
and it's doing likewise
in paperback.
355
00:26:32,808 --> 00:26:35,636
When the book came out,
the whole family
356
00:26:35,637 --> 00:26:38,639
was just living
off the proceeds of the book.
357
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,641
They were very happy about it.
358
00:26:40,642 --> 00:26:42,817
George especially
was very happy about it
359
00:26:42,818 --> 00:26:44,863
because this was...
360
00:26:44,864 --> 00:26:48,693
Helped financially for him,
which he needed it
361
00:26:48,694 --> 00:26:51,305
to take care of his family.
362
00:26:52,523 --> 00:26:53,654
Of course, like a lot of people,
363
00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:55,874
I went out and bought the book.
364
00:26:55,875 --> 00:26:58,790
I remember reading pigs
flying outside of windows
365
00:26:58,791 --> 00:27:03,229
and swarms of flies coming in
and walls bleeding
366
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:06,667
and weird sounds coming
out of the ground
367
00:27:06,668 --> 00:27:08,060
in the backyard and stuff.
368
00:27:08,061 --> 00:27:10,715
And I was like, this is so...
This is ridiculous.
369
00:27:10,716 --> 00:27:14,893
After I read the book, I
never talked to George again.
370
00:27:14,894 --> 00:27:16,808
I read it.
I put it down.
371
00:27:16,809 --> 00:27:18,810
I couldn't finish it.
372
00:27:18,811 --> 00:27:23,292
Oozing door locks,
levitation of his wife,
373
00:27:23,293 --> 00:27:27,775
stuff that I never saw
or heard in that house.
374
00:27:27,776 --> 00:27:29,734
Why did you come by tonight
to look at this house?
375
00:27:29,735 --> 00:27:31,518
To see what that book
was all about
376
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:33,347
and everything about the house.
377
00:27:34,609 --> 00:27:37,567
It's a joke.
It's a joke, a complete joke.
378
00:27:37,568 --> 00:27:42,572
I mean, pigs flying around,
all these stupid stories.
379
00:27:42,573 --> 00:27:44,966
Someone's trying
to cash in here.
380
00:27:52,801 --> 00:27:55,934
I truly believe that
they believe all these things.
381
00:27:55,935 --> 00:27:58,763
I was not there obviously.
382
00:27:58,764 --> 00:28:01,548
They told me their story.
The priest told me his story.
383
00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:03,855
And I put it together
in repertory style.
384
00:28:03,856 --> 00:28:06,771
And I leave it up to you.
385
00:28:06,772 --> 00:28:10,513
It was being sold
and promoted as a true story.
386
00:28:10,514 --> 00:28:14,343
I saw nothing to substantiate
that word "true."
387
00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:17,956
But it was a good story,
and it was a big moneymaker.
388
00:28:19,741 --> 00:28:21,743
Get out!
389
00:28:27,314 --> 00:28:29,925
Anson sold the movie rights.
390
00:28:31,797 --> 00:28:33,841
Cut!
391
00:28:33,842 --> 00:28:35,582
He didn't ask us
392
00:28:35,583 --> 00:28:38,977
whether we wanted that
to happen or not.
393
00:28:38,978 --> 00:28:40,675
He just went ahead and did it.
394
00:28:43,025 --> 00:28:45,331
Then they came to us
and sent us contracts
395
00:28:45,332 --> 00:28:48,814
and said,
"We're gonna do your movie."
396
00:28:55,777 --> 00:28:58,910
The Amityville
Horror is one of the first
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00:28:58,911 --> 00:29:01,564
motion pictures filmed
almost entirely in New Jersey.
398
00:29:05,787 --> 00:29:08,876
George went to the set a lot.
399
00:29:08,877 --> 00:29:12,837
I don't think they really
wanted him there on set.
400
00:29:12,838 --> 00:29:17,276
But he just loved the fact
that there were notable actors
401
00:29:17,277 --> 00:29:19,844
playing him and his wife.
402
00:29:19,845 --> 00:29:21,019
He really enjoyed that.
403
00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:22,890
It was like a big deal,
404
00:29:22,891 --> 00:29:25,414
something totally
out of the ordinary
405
00:29:25,415 --> 00:29:27,808
that ever happened to him.
406
00:29:27,809 --> 00:29:30,028
Kathy, I felt at this time,
407
00:29:30,029 --> 00:29:32,030
was just concerned about George.
408
00:29:32,031 --> 00:29:34,075
And if this was gonna
make him feel better...
409
00:29:34,076 --> 00:29:36,251
Because he was changing back.
410
00:29:36,252 --> 00:29:40,038
He was becoming
more self-confident.
411
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:43,824
He was happy with the fame,
to be part of it.
412
00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:46,044
So that's what he did.
413
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:54,095
Well, the first
thing I've got to ask you is,
414
00:29:54,096 --> 00:29:56,271
do you believe in demonic force?
415
00:29:56,272 --> 00:29:59,493
Um, hmm, good question.
416
00:30:00,973 --> 00:30:02,843
Uh...
417
00:30:02,844 --> 00:30:05,715
Yeah... uh, no, yes.
418
00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:13,201
I sat with George,
419
00:30:13,202 --> 00:30:17,205
and I watched his eyes
as I talked to him
420
00:30:17,206 --> 00:30:19,077
and asked him
a specific question,
421
00:30:19,078 --> 00:30:21,470
looking for the liar
who would stare right at me,
422
00:30:21,471 --> 00:30:23,472
look right at me,
and tell me a direct lie.
423
00:30:23,473 --> 00:30:26,084
And as he'd answer a question,
I'd watch him think about it.
424
00:30:26,085 --> 00:30:28,477
And as he'd tell me
about some of the things,
425
00:30:28,478 --> 00:30:29,870
his voice would begin
to quaver a little.
426
00:30:29,871 --> 00:30:32,090
Then he'd try
to regain composure.
427
00:30:32,091 --> 00:30:34,701
And I walked away saying,
this man believes
428
00:30:34,702 --> 00:30:37,400
that something went wrong
back there, you know.
429
00:30:39,968 --> 00:30:42,752
Twenty-eight states
in America accept the results
430
00:30:42,753 --> 00:30:44,885
of polygraph tests
as legal evidence,
431
00:30:44,886 --> 00:30:47,061
and the polygraph is now used
as a matter of course
432
00:30:47,062 --> 00:30:49,934
by the FBI and other
government agencies.
433
00:30:49,935 --> 00:30:52,501
Basically,
it monitors three things:
434
00:30:52,502 --> 00:30:56,462
cardiac activity,
breathing, and sweat.
435
00:31:08,083 --> 00:31:08,954
The movie company
was getting ready
436
00:31:08,955 --> 00:31:11,129
to release the movie,
437
00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:15,133
and they wanted to give each
of us a polygraph test.
438
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:28,929
And these are expensive tests.
439
00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:31,062
They were willing to pay for it.
440
00:31:31,063 --> 00:31:32,933
And we said, "Get us the best
there is, and we'll do it.
441
00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:34,979
"Otherwise, we're not
interested in doing it
442
00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:37,285
with someone
that just got out of school."
443
00:31:37,286 --> 00:31:40,375
We were so very pleased
to have Chris Gugas come along
444
00:31:40,376 --> 00:31:42,769
and give us a polygraph test
445
00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:45,380
in his office with Michael Rice.
446
00:31:48,776 --> 00:31:50,733
Chris Gugas, he was
considered number two man
447
00:31:50,734 --> 00:31:54,172
in the world at the time.
448
00:31:54,173 --> 00:31:56,217
He had taught
the use of the polygraph
449
00:31:56,218 --> 00:31:58,089
throughout the world
for the armed forces
450
00:31:58,090 --> 00:32:00,569
and for their
intelligence people.
451
00:32:00,570 --> 00:32:02,223
He had been
instructed personally
452
00:32:02,224 --> 00:32:05,574
by the head guy at the FBI.
453
00:32:05,575 --> 00:32:08,012
Among other things, he was
accepted in California courts
454
00:32:08,013 --> 00:32:09,449
as a witness.
455
00:32:10,711 --> 00:32:12,451
It was a long process.
456
00:32:12,452 --> 00:32:15,193
It's not like you walk in,
strap on the machine, and go.
457
00:32:15,194 --> 00:32:17,804
You have to agree
to the questions.
458
00:32:17,805 --> 00:32:20,546
He had five questions.
They have to be yes or no.
459
00:32:20,547 --> 00:32:23,070
And, you know, you get one shot
460
00:32:23,071 --> 00:32:25,246
at doing this thing right.
461
00:32:25,247 --> 00:32:27,946
One of the questions was,
did you levitate?
462
00:32:30,035 --> 00:32:33,386
One of the questions was, did
Kathy turn into an old woman?
463
00:32:36,302 --> 00:32:38,781
And you answered
them all and went sailing
464
00:32:38,782 --> 00:32:40,174
past the polygraph.
465
00:32:40,175 --> 00:32:43,657
Absolutely.
We passed the test.
466
00:32:44,745 --> 00:32:46,572
Later, those findings
were published
467
00:32:46,573 --> 00:32:50,010
in the National Star
of all things.
468
00:32:50,011 --> 00:32:52,578
Well, George, you
know, people who are lying
469
00:32:52,579 --> 00:32:55,015
usually don't agree
to a polygraph.
470
00:32:55,016 --> 00:32:56,712
That's for damn sure.
471
00:33:17,517 --> 00:33:20,084
Many of the people attending
this invitation-only showing
472
00:33:20,085 --> 00:33:22,390
of The Amityville Horror
gave it rave reviews.
473
00:33:22,391 --> 00:33:25,263
And you can judge
for yourself this weekend.
474
00:33:25,264 --> 00:33:27,091
Last night, there was
475
00:33:27,092 --> 00:33:29,615
a gala sneak preview showing.
476
00:33:29,616 --> 00:33:31,269
This was a private screening
477
00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:32,879
of The Amityville Horror,
478
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,273
based on the best-selling
book by Jay Anson.
479
00:33:35,274 --> 00:33:37,057
Anson attended
the screening accompanied
480
00:33:37,058 --> 00:33:39,277
by the film's producer
and one of the stars
481
00:33:39,278 --> 00:33:41,279
of the picture, James Brolin.
482
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,542
Twenty-eight days
after the Lutz family
483
00:33:43,543 --> 00:33:45,109
moved into their dream house,
484
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:47,241
they were running
for their lives.
485
00:33:47,242 --> 00:33:51,115
What happened to them
is an experience in terror
486
00:33:51,116 --> 00:33:53,943
you will never forget.
487
00:33:53,944 --> 00:33:57,295
The Amityville Horror, rated R.
488
00:33:57,296 --> 00:33:58,513
Is The Amityville
Horror for real?
489
00:33:58,514 --> 00:33:59,645
I don't know,
and I'm not planning to go
490
00:33:59,646 --> 00:34:01,125
to Amityville and find out.
491
00:34:01,126 --> 00:34:02,865
What I can say, though,
is that the movie
492
00:34:02,866 --> 00:34:04,128
is not very much fun.
493
00:34:04,129 --> 00:34:05,564
Maybe it wasn't meant to be.
494
00:34:05,565 --> 00:34:08,219
Oozing slime is hardly
ever entertaining.
495
00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:10,438
But the way the Lutzes
are relentlessly persecuted
496
00:34:10,439 --> 00:34:12,875
by their haunted house
is finally just repetitive,
497
00:34:12,876 --> 00:34:15,095
boring, gruesome,
more than a little depressing.
498
00:34:15,096 --> 00:34:17,706
I was going to say, who
would want to see this movie?
499
00:34:17,707 --> 00:34:20,448
But millions of people
already have gone to see it.
500
00:34:20,449 --> 00:34:24,104
It's a big hit
at the box office.
501
00:34:24,105 --> 00:34:27,151
Horror doesn't have to be good.
502
00:34:27,152 --> 00:34:29,240
Even horror
which is critically panned
503
00:34:29,241 --> 00:34:31,546
can be really powerful.
504
00:34:31,547 --> 00:34:33,548
The Amityville Horror
sticks in the mind.
505
00:34:33,549 --> 00:34:36,334
And I think that's what's
given it its longevity,
506
00:34:36,335 --> 00:34:38,162
not any kind of conception
of quality,
507
00:34:38,163 --> 00:34:42,383
but its ability for moments
or ideas to kind of resonate
508
00:34:42,384 --> 00:34:46,214
and stick with people
for decades.
509
00:34:47,476 --> 00:34:49,477
The great moment where one
of the Lutzes' children
510
00:34:49,478 --> 00:34:52,828
ends up with a hand smashed
by the sash window,
511
00:34:52,829 --> 00:34:55,135
and they're desperately trying
to pull it back in,
512
00:34:55,136 --> 00:34:57,311
but the two men
can't lift the window.
513
00:34:57,312 --> 00:35:00,358
The glowing eyes
that appear outside the window
514
00:35:00,359 --> 00:35:02,186
on the second floor.
515
00:35:02,187 --> 00:35:04,188
Lots of people mention that
as something that they see,
516
00:35:04,189 --> 00:35:06,190
watching the film
for the first time,
517
00:35:06,191 --> 00:35:08,627
as being something that really
sort of stays with them,
518
00:35:08,628 --> 00:35:10,933
and I think because it speaks
to a very deep-seated fear
519
00:35:10,934 --> 00:35:12,413
of, like, you see something
out of the corner
520
00:35:12,414 --> 00:35:14,241
of your eye at night.
521
00:35:14,242 --> 00:35:17,288
The oozing staircase
and the bleeding wall,
522
00:35:17,289 --> 00:35:19,594
where suddenly it seems
like the entire environment
523
00:35:19,595 --> 00:35:22,380
is coming apart at the seams.
524
00:35:22,381 --> 00:35:24,773
Green slime, what was that
on the wall in the movie?
525
00:35:24,774 --> 00:35:26,384
George, did that happen?
526
00:35:26,385 --> 00:35:29,038
As the movie did it,
not exactly, no.
527
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,780
- Do you believe them?
- Do I?
528
00:35:31,781 --> 00:35:34,000
Yeah, when I'm sitting here
with them, yes, I do.
529
00:35:34,001 --> 00:35:36,350
It's hard to deny
a lot of the facts.
530
00:35:52,672 --> 00:35:54,803
Watching the Lutzes
on Good Morning America
531
00:35:54,804 --> 00:35:58,459
really drives home
the importance of saying,
532
00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:00,548
"This is based
on a true story."
533
00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:02,811
Somebody tells you a scary
story about a haunted house,
534
00:36:02,812 --> 00:36:03,899
you go, eh, that's fine.
535
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:05,379
That's just a scary story.
536
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:09,427
But someone tells you
about it on the morning news,
537
00:36:09,428 --> 00:36:12,299
and the people are right there,
and the actor is right there,
538
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:14,693
you see this collapse
of the distinction
539
00:36:14,694 --> 00:36:17,610
between the truth
and entertainment.
540
00:36:20,265 --> 00:36:22,657
Rosemary's Baby,
541
00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:26,052
The Exorcist and The Omen
542
00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:28,359
are referred to
as the unholy trinity.
543
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,231
All three of these films
involving Satanism
544
00:36:31,232 --> 00:36:34,278
and the supernatural
and the occult present
545
00:36:34,279 --> 00:36:37,238
an attack
on the American family.
546
00:36:39,458 --> 00:36:42,460
In Rosemary's Baby,
she's pregnant.
547
00:36:42,461 --> 00:36:43,591
It's a nice, young couple.
548
00:36:43,592 --> 00:36:45,724
They move into a new apartment.
549
00:36:45,725 --> 00:36:48,292
And then they realize
that she has no control
550
00:36:48,293 --> 00:36:50,250
over the antichrist spawn
551
00:36:50,251 --> 00:36:52,384
that she is now
bringing to bear.
552
00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:58,040
And so this represents
the dread of what it means
553
00:36:58,041 --> 00:37:01,740
to be a woman in society,
of the loss of control
554
00:37:01,741 --> 00:37:04,046
over your own body
and what eventually becomes
555
00:37:04,047 --> 00:37:05,874
of your child.
556
00:37:05,875 --> 00:37:09,356
In The Exorcist, where it's
a single-parent household,
557
00:37:09,357 --> 00:37:11,271
and it is an adolescent child,
558
00:37:11,272 --> 00:37:14,143
an adolescent daughter,
Regan MacNeil,
559
00:37:14,144 --> 00:37:16,537
going through puberty,
560
00:37:16,538 --> 00:37:18,539
new experiences
happening with her body
561
00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:21,455
that is going
to rebel against her mother.
562
00:37:21,456 --> 00:37:26,330
At the same time,
The Omen that comes out in 1976
563
00:37:26,331 --> 00:37:31,291
is about a young couple that,
due to pregnancy mishaps,
564
00:37:31,292 --> 00:37:33,337
have to adopt a child.
565
00:37:33,338 --> 00:37:36,514
Little do they know that it
is also the spawn of Satan.
566
00:37:36,515 --> 00:37:38,907
Thus, not only do you need
the transcendental authority
567
00:37:38,908 --> 00:37:41,345
of the church,
you need some male force,
568
00:37:41,346 --> 00:37:43,347
represented
by Catholic patriarchy,
569
00:37:43,348 --> 00:37:46,175
to come in and save the day.
570
00:37:54,054 --> 00:37:55,533
Do you plan
to show the movie here?
571
00:37:55,534 --> 00:37:57,404
No, we don't.
572
00:37:57,405 --> 00:38:00,451
We've contemplated
every maneuver possible
573
00:38:00,452 --> 00:38:02,322
in the event that things
get out of hand,
574
00:38:02,323 --> 00:38:04,455
changing the name of the street,
575
00:38:04,456 --> 00:38:06,326
eliminating parking
along the hallway,
576
00:38:06,327 --> 00:38:08,023
making the streets one-way.
577
00:38:08,024 --> 00:38:10,330
We've come up with a plan
just to have extra police
578
00:38:10,331 --> 00:38:12,027
down there on a full-time basis
579
00:38:12,028 --> 00:38:13,856
in unmarked cars
just to keep traffic moving.
580
00:38:16,946 --> 00:38:19,339
It seems local
residents would retitle
581
00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:22,168
The Amityville Horror
The Amityville Nuisance
582
00:38:22,169 --> 00:38:23,604
because all it's done
is brought a lot
583
00:38:23,605 --> 00:38:26,346
of unwelcome tourists, sightseers,
584
00:38:26,347 --> 00:38:28,566
and a lot of extra traffic
to what used
585
00:38:28,567 --> 00:38:30,394
to be a quiet
Long Island village.
586
00:38:42,407 --> 00:38:44,059
Why did you come by tonight
to look at this house?
587
00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:45,626
To see what it was like.
588
00:38:45,627 --> 00:38:48,630
I guess, we just specifically
came from Chicago to see it.
589
00:38:50,676 --> 00:38:52,503
It isn't a
house that we want to sell.
590
00:38:52,504 --> 00:38:54,940
It's a house we feel
we're being forced to sell
591
00:38:54,941 --> 00:38:58,596
because of
The Amityville Horror.
592
00:38:58,597 --> 00:39:00,380
In the two years
the Cromarty family
593
00:39:00,381 --> 00:39:02,251
has lived here,
they tell us they
594
00:39:02,252 --> 00:39:04,645
have never noticed anything
strange or supernatural
595
00:39:04,646 --> 00:39:06,386
taking place.
596
00:39:06,387 --> 00:39:09,607
But we feel now
we have to give up.
597
00:39:09,608 --> 00:39:11,391
We need a night's sleep.
598
00:39:11,392 --> 00:39:12,653
That people have nothing better
599
00:39:12,654 --> 00:39:14,438
in the world to do
600
00:39:14,439 --> 00:39:19,007
than to come and gape
or do stupid things.
601
00:39:38,463 --> 00:39:39,289
When the film first came out,
602
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:41,682
I was like ten or so.
603
00:39:41,683 --> 00:39:45,251
We went to go see a movie
with the babysitter.
604
00:39:45,252 --> 00:39:48,646
And in a different theater
down the hall,
605
00:39:48,647 --> 00:39:51,257
The Amityville Horror
was showing.
606
00:39:51,258 --> 00:39:53,651
I told the babysitter
I needed to go to the bathroom
607
00:39:53,652 --> 00:39:57,045
and went out
608
00:39:57,046 --> 00:39:59,745
and went
inside the other theater.
609
00:40:01,573 --> 00:40:03,487
This is a movie about my family,
610
00:40:03,488 --> 00:40:08,274
and I was seeing
this reaction from a crowd
611
00:40:08,275 --> 00:40:10,798
as they're watching
the Amityville movie.
612
00:40:10,799 --> 00:40:12,887
And it was just, like, surreal.
613
00:40:17,632 --> 00:40:20,721
And it was like,
this is what the world
614
00:40:20,722 --> 00:40:23,898
came to think was my story.
615
00:40:26,815 --> 00:40:29,469
Here I was, a little kid
with a New York accent
616
00:40:29,470 --> 00:40:31,819
in a California public school
with the same name
617
00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:33,473
as in the movie.
618
00:40:33,474 --> 00:40:36,564
It didn't take long for kids
to figure out who I was, so...
619
00:40:40,525 --> 00:40:43,483
I tried to tell them
what happened if they asked.
620
00:40:43,484 --> 00:40:45,572
And then it was like,
"Well, that's not what
621
00:40:45,573 --> 00:40:48,183
was in the movie.
You're a liar."
622
00:40:48,184 --> 00:40:49,489
I was like, what?
623
00:40:54,713 --> 00:40:57,715
And then, at one point,
they went on a world tour
624
00:40:57,716 --> 00:40:58,716
talking about it.
625
00:41:12,644 --> 00:41:14,949
The next one is this.
This is really strange.
626
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:16,995
Now, if you look closely
at this photograph here,
627
00:41:16,996 --> 00:41:18,562
now, that's... you can't
really see it too well here,
628
00:41:18,563 --> 00:41:20,564
but that's a little boy.
629
00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:22,522
And who is he supposed to be?
630
00:41:22,523 --> 00:41:25,090
We don't know
who he is actually.
631
00:41:25,091 --> 00:41:26,700
But Missy knows him,
our daughter.
632
00:41:26,701 --> 00:41:28,789
When she saw the picture,
which was discovered
633
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:31,226
now two weeks ago, she said,
"That's the little boy
634
00:41:31,227 --> 00:41:33,186
I used to always talk to."
635
00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:41,541
They even had
put us into a Catholic school.
636
00:41:41,542 --> 00:41:43,544
They dropped us
in The Orphanage.
637
00:41:45,938 --> 00:41:47,808
That was a tough thing, man.
638
00:41:47,809 --> 00:41:50,637
You know, the other kids
in The Orphanage were like,
639
00:41:50,638 --> 00:41:52,552
"Your parents aren't
coming back for you,
640
00:41:52,553 --> 00:41:54,641
just like they left us
here too."
641
00:41:54,642 --> 00:41:59,603
You know, it was definitely...
642
00:41:59,604 --> 00:42:00,822
a hard time.
643
00:42:05,305 --> 00:42:08,612
I asked Kathy a couple
of times about the children,
644
00:42:08,613 --> 00:42:11,702
and she told me
that she was trying
645
00:42:11,703 --> 00:42:14,835
to shelter them from everything
646
00:42:14,836 --> 00:42:17,446
that was going on.
647
00:42:17,447 --> 00:42:22,843
When I look back on it now,
I feel for the children.
648
00:42:22,844 --> 00:42:26,151
I didn't think, at that point,
they were being sheltered.
649
00:42:26,152 --> 00:42:28,067
It was just too public.
650
00:42:31,853 --> 00:42:33,854
I'm Jackie Stone,
651
00:42:33,855 --> 00:42:36,074
and this is supposedly
where it all happened.
652
00:42:36,075 --> 00:42:38,424
The DeFeo, Lutz,
or Cromarty house...
653
00:42:38,425 --> 00:42:39,947
Depending
on how you look for it...
654
00:42:39,948 --> 00:42:41,688
The site
of the Amityville Horror
655
00:42:41,689 --> 00:42:42,821
or the Amityville Hoax.
656
00:42:43,735 --> 00:42:45,649
Do you believe
it is a horror or hoax?
657
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:47,041
It's a hoax.
658
00:42:47,042 --> 00:42:48,477
So you don't believe it at all?
659
00:42:48,478 --> 00:42:50,305
- Not at all.
- Definitely a hoax.
660
00:42:50,306 --> 00:42:51,829
Why?
661
00:42:51,830 --> 00:42:54,222
Well, I've been a longtime
resident of Amityville,
662
00:42:54,223 --> 00:42:57,399
and there's never
any incident of this type
663
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,792
at any time in that home.
664
00:42:58,793 --> 00:43:01,099
I think it was just
a moneymaking bracket
665
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,318
that somebody put together
with a lot of brains.
666
00:43:03,319 --> 00:43:05,451
You know, they saw a good chance
to make a lot of money,
667
00:43:05,452 --> 00:43:07,061
so they put a film together,
668
00:43:07,062 --> 00:43:08,715
and now they're making millions.
669
00:43:08,716 --> 00:43:09,977
Do you believe that all that
670
00:43:09,978 --> 00:43:12,240
- really happened here?
- Yeah, I believe it.
671
00:43:12,241 --> 00:43:14,678
I believe. I believe
in the devil.
672
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:17,681
As far as we're concerned,
the Amityville hoax
673
00:43:17,682 --> 00:43:19,073
is the real horror.
674
00:43:19,074 --> 00:43:20,814
Whether or not
it was a hoax or a horror,
675
00:43:20,815 --> 00:43:22,642
you'll have to decide that
for yourself.
676
00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:27,821
People were coming to think
677
00:43:27,822 --> 00:43:30,390
that it was a hoax.
678
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:34,698
I knew that Mom
and George had, like,
679
00:43:34,699 --> 00:43:36,656
given the recordings over
to Jay Anson
680
00:43:36,657 --> 00:43:38,659
and that Anson wrote the book.
681
00:43:40,313 --> 00:43:43,489
But I had never heard the tapes.
682
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:45,709
All I know is that this is what
683
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:49,103
he went around the world promoting
684
00:43:49,104 --> 00:43:51,193
and thought it was fine.
685
00:43:56,721 --> 00:44:00,288
Like, let me tell you a story
about that photo
686
00:44:00,289 --> 00:44:04,292
taken during
the Warren investigation.
687
00:44:04,293 --> 00:44:07,687
That photo has circulated
all around the world
688
00:44:07,688 --> 00:44:10,168
and all over the internet now.
689
00:44:10,169 --> 00:44:12,039
But here's the thing.
690
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,738
You'll notice that head
that's sticking out
691
00:44:14,739 --> 00:44:17,958
of that doorway...
Attached to that head,
692
00:44:17,959 --> 00:44:19,917
it's a plaid shirt.
693
00:44:19,918 --> 00:44:23,964
And it's consistent with the
same shirt as the photographer
694
00:44:23,965 --> 00:44:25,705
that's taking these photos.
695
00:44:29,405 --> 00:44:32,582
And so it's not some spirit.
696
00:44:34,584 --> 00:44:37,717
It's the picture
of the photographer.
697
00:44:47,249 --> 00:44:50,599
I never liked
that he felt that it was fine
698
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,777
to add fiction to it.
699
00:44:53,778 --> 00:44:56,954
It really pissed me off.
700
00:45:00,219 --> 00:45:03,961
Because there's enough
to the story
701
00:45:03,962 --> 00:45:06,224
that anybody
that has a real sense
702
00:45:06,225 --> 00:45:10,794
of what paranormal activity is,
703
00:45:10,795 --> 00:45:13,013
there's enough here.
704
00:45:13,014 --> 00:45:14,973
There's no need to pepper it
with any bullshit.
705
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:21,239
Is this fact or fiction?
706
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,024
Fiction, absolutely.
707
00:45:24,025 --> 00:45:25,809
So this story evolved
over dinner with the Lutzes
708
00:45:25,810 --> 00:45:27,071
and a bottle of wine.
709
00:45:27,072 --> 00:45:29,900
I think it was
about three bottles of wine.
710
00:45:29,901 --> 00:45:32,032
Yes, about three bottles
of wine.
711
00:45:32,033 --> 00:45:34,774
So the story grew
with each bottle of wine.
712
00:45:34,775 --> 00:45:36,385
Each bottle
became a better story.
713
00:45:37,996 --> 00:45:40,780
I told them
there were flies found
714
00:45:40,781 --> 00:45:42,826
in the house where the body
of the older sister
715
00:45:42,827 --> 00:45:44,784
was discovered.
716
00:45:44,785 --> 00:45:48,833
From those flies, they created
a complete supernatural scene.
717
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:54,663
And there was
a greenish-black substance
718
00:45:54,664 --> 00:45:57,057
around many of the doorknobs.
719
00:45:57,058 --> 00:45:59,887
They were the result
of fingerprint powders.
720
00:46:02,063 --> 00:46:04,282
So we took real-life incidences,
721
00:46:04,283 --> 00:46:06,893
and then we transposed them.
722
00:46:06,894 --> 00:46:09,026
Green slime
was actually spaghetti
723
00:46:09,027 --> 00:46:12,377
that had been splashed
on the wall at a time
724
00:46:12,378 --> 00:46:16,511
when Mr. DeFeo supposedly had
hit his wife in the kitchen
725
00:46:16,512 --> 00:46:19,384
while she was carrying
a plate of spaghetti.
726
00:46:19,385 --> 00:46:21,821
There were times
when one of the DeFeo
727
00:46:21,822 --> 00:46:25,825
or a neighbor's kitten
would jump on Dawn's window.
728
00:46:25,826 --> 00:46:27,958
And just taking
that little incident,
729
00:46:27,959 --> 00:46:34,094
we developed it into a pig
appearing at the window.
730
00:46:34,095 --> 00:46:36,096
We could sit here
for three weeks.
731
00:46:36,097 --> 00:46:38,969
And I'll keep telling you
each time, it's a fraud.
732
00:46:40,972 --> 00:46:48,370
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